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BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby Wotan777 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:49 pm

Hello

I use Vintage Recording Techniques Expansion. Sounds very great.

My Mid Tom Sounds very different (less hard, flat) compared to the Hi Tom and the Floor Toms. Do somebody else noticed this behaviour or maybe my downloaded Rar Files were corrupted?

Thank you.

Stefan

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby purtington » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:57 pm

Wotan777 wrote:Hello

I use Vintage Recording Techniques Expansion. Sounds very great.

My Mid Tom Sounds very different (less hard, flat) compared to the Hi Tom and the Floor Toms. Do somebody else noticed this behaviour or maybe my downloaded Rar Files were corrupted?

Thank you.

Stefan


They do sound slightly different, the mid tom sounds like it wasn't hit quite so hard and likewise floor tom 1 sounds like it may have been hit harder than floor tom 2. Can't think why that would have been ifthat were the case.

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby Wotan777 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:37 am

Thank you for your Reply.

My Mid Tom is not slightly different. It Sound really flat. Hi and Floor Toms Sound "Tack" and Mid Tom like "Dom".

Is this the difference you mean? I try to redownload it and install it again.

Thank you.

Stefan

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby Drew_fx » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:30 pm

Certain drums with certain tunings have different overtones and dynamic ranges. Maybe try a slight tweak to your velocities, bring them higher or lower to find a different part of the drums dynamic range.

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby orange » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:42 pm

just bumping this as I've recently started using VRT

IMO - the mid tom doesn't work in this kit at all - way more resonance and totally different sonic character. How come this was missed when recording took place ?

you can crank down the resonance but still sonically it doesn't sit well with the rest of the kit. I've started using the high tom tuned down - but really not a satisfactory solution.

you guys are supposed to be drum recording specialists ......

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby purtington » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:20 pm

orange wrote:just bumping this as I've recently started using VRT

IMO - the mid tom doesn't work in this kit at all - way more resonance and totally different sonic character. How come this was missed when recording took place ?

you can crank down the resonance but still sonically it doesn't sit well with the rest of the kit. I've started using the high tom tuned down - but really not a satisfactory solution.

you guys are supposed to be drum recording specialists ......



How are you getting these differences in sound?

Are you actually hearing them in a track after they've been laid down as either midi or audio or is it just by auditioning them?

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby orange » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:43 pm

hi

if you mean the differences in sound between the two toms....just by triggering them.

And yes of course, lost in the middle of a mix you can mask a lot of bad engineering - but the fact remains that it's pretty poor engineering, especially for a premium drum library.

I mean this drum library is just the one drum kit - and one of the toms was tuned/damped in a totally different way to the others.

or are you saying there is a fix for this somewhere ? I can't imagine they revisited it and totally rerecorded it.

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby purtington » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:03 pm

orange wrote:hi

if you mean the differences in sound between the two toms....just by triggering them.

And yes of course, lost in the middle of a mix you can mask a lot of bad engineering - but the fact remains that it's pretty poor engineering, especially for a premium drum library.

I mean this drum library is just the one drum kit - and one of the toms was tuned/damped in a totally different way to the others.

or are you saying there is a fix for this somewhere ? I can't imagine they revisited it and totally rerecorded it.


Last time I checked I did notice a difference in sound but it seemed to be that it wasn't hit as hard so not so much a difference in recording, just the way it was hit but having checked again it seems very slight to my ears. As long as you can get the velocities of the other tos to match it shouldn't be a problem.

I don't see any updates but they have in the past fixed issues for single kit pieces but nothing yet.

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby orange » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:13 pm

thanks Steve

the sound difference might slight to you possibly - but pretty bad to my ears. I'm fairly sure this won't (can't) be fixed as they ain't going to re-record the entire thing and how can they fix it without doing that - and this was first reported 18 months ago.

As I mentioned I haven't used BFD for a long time, although I have bought most of the expansions over the years from BFD1 in 2003. Been pretty much superior drummer only for the last few years but I thought I'd revisit BFD.

I find it staggering they didn't notice this when recording it - would have been an easy fix. FXP so 'nearly' get it right but they never get it 100% - it's a shame really and I can't imagine it's going to get any better as they seem to have lost interest.

Oh well

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby Wotan777 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:55 am

Thank for answer.

I just thought that I did not Import the Expansion correctly, so that the Mid Tom sounds bad. That's really bad, buying a Expansion which does not work correctly. They did no soundcheck of the Toms?

OK, it was reported, so others feel the same, I do.

Thank you for Reply.

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby purtington » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:37 am

Would e really useful if any, or better still all of you could record a sample of the mid tom along side the other 3 toms so we can compare the difference.

As I said, I can hear a very, 'slight' difference but I can't believe my hearing is that bad or that different to any of yours so it would be useful to hear what you're hearing.

It's possible something happened during installation.


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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby orange » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:42 pm

hi Steve

if you can hear a difference then that's almost certainly the difference we can hear too. There's a big stack of samples for that particular tom so there is no way that they were all mysteriously corrupted on the install - and corrupted in such a way that affects just the impact an resonance. In fact, corrupted in such a way that it exactly mimics a tom that is out of tune or not tuned to the rest of the kit.... the corruption would have to extend to all of the bleed channels of the other kit pieces too. 10000% unlikely

Obviously, there are no right or wrongs when recording drums (of course there are !) but I would have thought matching the sound harmonically across the toms to give a nice even tone tends to be what most people would be aiming for, I suspect you are more tolerant of the problem than we are.

If I get chance I'll post mp3s of one of the layers from each tom - although not sure if we can attach on this forum

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Re: BFD Vintage Recording Techniques Mid Tom

Postby orange » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:20 pm

just downloaded the the pack again - but of course the samples are in bfd compressed format (some kind of multichannel flac?) struggling to open these in anything else

anyway - as always the BFD engineers had just one job to do ...and failed IMO - they never manage to hit 100% (or in this case 90%!)


it's such a shame because it would have been a nice sounding kit


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